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Enhanced Interrogation or torture?

CHENEY 2000Oh, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive…

Now, for those of you who turn on the news occasionally, and especially those with a political inclination, we have a heated controversy between the left and the right about these “enhanced interrogation techniques” used on accused terrorists during the last administration. For the sake of brevity, I’ll stay with waterboarding for this opinion.

What we know: Abu Zubaydah was waterboarded 83 times. Kalid Shaik Muhammed was waterboarded 183 times. They gave up valuable information, and they’re terrorists anyway. So far, sounds pretty good. Hey, the whole country was scared shitless and we did what we had to do, right? Not so fast…

Our former VP Dick Cheney (the one who spent most of his 8 years in office in a “secret, undisclosed location”) is now on various talk shows (FOX news, Face the Nation, State of the Union, and even a small time talk show in North Dakota or Montana) at least once every few weeks, and twice so far this week alone. He’s admitted that he authorized these “techniques” but disputes that they’re torture. His lawyers wrote legal memos saying so. Others who side with him go so far as to say that even if they’re torture, they were effective in extracting vital information from our enemies and thus justified — despite the fact that they are prohibited by the Geneva conventions, and that “it worked” is expressly forbidden as a defense to committing these crimes.

Yesterday began the first of many congressional investigations to come. Who’s testifying? One of the first was an FBI agent directly involved in the interrogation of both Abu Zubaydah and KSM. According to him and his records, virtually ALL of the information was gained in the first few hours by the FBI using traditional techniques. Enter the CIA (under orders of Cheney). They began to waterboard them, and they immediately shut down and would give no further information. In case you aren’t up to speed, the FBI withdrew from the interrogations about 4-6 months after the CIA came in with the head telling all agents to steer clear of this, it’s not going to turn out well. More to come later….

So, how does everyone feel about what was done in the name of our country? Is waterboarding torture? Jesse Ventura, a former governor, former wrestler, and former Navy SEAL who was voluntarily waterboarded in the SERE (survive, evade, resist, escape) program says it absolutely is. He describes it as the complete sensation of drowning, even though he knew it was unlikely to cause his death in those controlled circumstances. If it was done to a member of your family, would you call it torture?

If it is torture (which it has been determined to be by the Red Cross, official authority as per the Geneva conventions), was it ok for us to do it to these horrible people who attacked us? If so, why? Because it kept us safe? No, that’s being debunked as I type. Then maybe it’s ok because we hate them so much? If that’s justification, then why did we prosecute our own soldiers when they waterboarded prisoners of war in Viet Nam? Why did we put to death those who did it to our soldiers in Japan? Why were our soldiers in Iraq prosecuted (one still in jail today) for doing this at Abu Ghraib? The government said they were “a few bad apples” to justify punishing them, while we now know the orders came from Rumsfeld who got them from Cheney.

So, what are everyone’s thoughts on this period in our country’s history? Did we do what we needed to and had to do? Did we overstep our bounds, sacrifice our morals for our safety? Are we, as Al Quada claims, a nation of hypocrites?

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May 14, 2009 Posted by | Political | , , , , | 4 Comments

ANOTHER, Montauk Monster has been found!

AC3JA9ICA004OMSCA3ZMWSECARRO156CA26NQ6CCA6RU7E8CAM3ZG1ACADSLI37CA6AXPM5CA3PTJYGCALU66L6CA0THU78CAFE7VR5CABA2IMJCAWBFFGNCADQQHJSCAIKBDEJCAZVGS1KCAC5SJR8I’m going to go out on a limb here and talk about what I usually call, guy stuff, because I found it to be very interesting. Have any of you ever heard of he Montauk Monster? I’m a big Scifi fan so I have heard and seen the news reports about the first one of these things that surfaced. Now, another one of the creatures have been found. Here is what the Wikipedia has to say about the first creature that was found.

The Wikipedia says that the story began with a July 23 article in a local newspaper, The Independent. Jenna Hewitt, 26, of Montauk, and three friends said they found the creature on July 12 at the Ditch Plains beach, two miles east of the district. The beach is a popular surfing spot at Rheinstein Estate Park owned by the town of East Hampton. Hewitt was quoted:

We were looking for a place to sit when we saw some people looking at something… We didn’t know what it was… We joked that maybe it was something from Plum Island.[3]

Her color photograph ran in black and white, signifying a complete miscalculation or hoax under the headline “The Hound of Bonacville” (a take-off on the name Bonackers, 250px-RhodeislandMonsterwhich refers to the natives of East Hampton, and The Hound of the Baskervilles which is a book in the Sherlock Holmes series). The light-hearted article speculated that the creature might be a turtle or some mutant experiment from the Plum Island Animal Disease Center before noting that Larry Penny, the East Hampton Natural Resources Director, had concluded it was a raccoon with its upper jaw missing. The article concluded that “someone took it away… to be buried… we hope.”[4] A local newspaper quoted an unidentified woman, who claimed that the animal was only the size of a cat, and had decomposed to a skeleton by the time of the press coverage. She would not identify its location for inspection.[5] Hewitt’s father denies claims that his daughter is keeping the body’s location a secret.[5]

Hewitt and her friends were interviewed on Plum-TV, a local cable television show.[6]Alanna Navitski, an employee of Evolutionary Media Group in Los Angeles, California, passed a photo of the creature to Anna Holmes at Jezebel, claiming that a friend’s sister saw the monster in Montauk. Holmes then passed it along to fellow Gawker Media website Gawker.comwhich gave it wide attention on July 29 under the headline “Dead Monster Washes Ashore in Montauk”.[7]

Cryptozoologist Loren Colemanat Cryptomundo first coined the name the “Montauk Monster” on July 29, 2008. [8]The moniker was disseminated globally on the Internet in the following days. Photographs were widely circulated via email and weblogs, and the national media picked up on it raising speculation about the creature. The potential urban legendstature of the Montauk Monster was noted by Snopes.[9]

In May 2009, the National Postreported that the owner of montauk-monster.com claimed to have found another incarnation.[10]

Speculation in published reports included theories that the Montauk Monster might have been a turtle without its shell—even though a turtle’s shell cannot be removed without damaging the spine nor do they have teeth as appear in the photograph[11][12]—a dog, a raccoon,[13][14] or perhaps a science experiment from the nearby government animal testing facility, the Plum Island Animal Disease Center.[15] The creature’s appearance was believed to have been altered through immersion in water for an extended period before coming to rest on the shore, making it difficult to identify.[13]

William Wise, director of Stony Brook University‘s Living Marine Resources Institute, interpreted the photo along with a colleague; they deemed the creature a fake, the result of “someone who got very creative with latex.” Wise discounted the following possibilities:[16]

  • Raccoon (The legs appear to be too long in proportion to the body.)
  • Sea turtle (Sea turtles do not have teeth) The creature is said to be a turtle because it appears to have what seems to be a beak. But some photos, with different angles, show that skin and tissue are missing from the front of creature’s face.
  • Rodent (Rodents have two huge, curved incisor teeth in front of their mouths)
  • Dog or other canine such as a coyote. (Prominent eye ridge and the feet don’t match)
  • Sheep (Sheep don’t have sharp teeth)

On August 1st, Gawker[17] published pictures and X-ray images of a water rat, an Australian rodentwith several similarities to the Montauk Monster, such as the beak, tail, feet, and size. On the same day, Jeff Corwin appeared on Fox News and claimed that upon close inspection of the photograph, he feels sure the monster is merely a raccoon or dog that has decomposed slightly.[13] This was backed up by Darren Naish, a British paleontologist, who examined the images and agreed that, if real, the creature was a raccoon. Naish says that “claims that the limb proportions of the Montauk carcass are unlike those of raccoons are not correct”, and on his blog he furnishes an illustration of an intact raccoon corpse drawn over the corpse in the photograph.[13]

On August 5 2008, Fox News Channel‘s Morning Show repeated speculation that the beast is a decayed corpse of a capybara, even though capybaras do not have tails.[18] The next day, the same program reported that an unnamed man claimed that the animal’s carcass had been stolen from his front yard.[19]

In an episode of the History Channel show Monster Quest, a representative from Plum Island Animal Disease Center speculated, after seeing other, close-up photos of the creature’s face, that it was a diseased or mutilated boxer dog.

 We humans have been around for quite a few years now.  I really think that by now people have seen enough dead animals to be able to identify what it really is, decomposed or not.  Hopefully, this time they will be able to get a DNA sample and find out for sure what these things are. 

But what do you think?  

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May 14, 2009 Posted by | Uncategorized | , , , | 2 Comments

I'm a Sap!

dannyand wifeOkay, I’m watching American Idol right now (tivo).  So I already know who is being sent home, but during the video of Danney Gokey going home to Milwaukee, I almost cried……….He did……. it was one of those tickle my heart moments!   I know people have been claiming that Danny was popular due to exploiting his dead wife, sorry I tend to disagree.  She died, fact of life, thank God if it hasn’t happened to you.  I can’t even imagine having thousands and thousands of people cheering for you…having your life’s dream come true.  I’m sure Danny would trade it all to have his wife back, but life happens and we find a way to go on…..Keep going Danny.

Oh heck, now Kris Allen is crying while he is hugging his Dad……I’m such a sap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!His version of Heartless is great!!

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I’m a Sap!

dannyand wifeOkay, I’m watching American Idol right now (tivo).  So I already know who is being sent home, but during the video of Danney Gokey going home to Milwaukee, I almost cried……….He did……. it was one of those tickle my heart moments!   I know people have been claiming that Danny was popular due to exploiting his dead wife, sorry I tend to disagree.  She died, fact of life, thank God if it hasn’t happened to you.  I can’t even imagine having thousands and thousands of people cheering for you…having your life’s dream come true.  I’m sure Danny would trade it all to have his wife back, but life happens and we find a way to go on…..Keep going Danny.

Oh heck, now Kris Allen is crying while he is hugging his Dad……I’m such a sap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!His version of Heartless is great!!

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Danny's Going Home

danney

American Idol isn’t even televised where I live yet, but I follow the results on line from the live blogging sites. (pathetic huh?)  After the show is over I will then watch the Tivod show so that I can skip through all of the commercials and the stuff that irritates me.  Danny Gokey was sent home!!!   Wow!  In the very beginning I loved Danny and his friend Jamar.  I was upset that Jamar didn’t make the cut.  Now, that could have become a popularity contest, singing competition and  a reality show all in one!  By the end of the competition, Danny just became, well, so ordinary.  I still think his singing is good, but he definitely lacks any type of show quality.  Look at Taylor Hicks, (I think that’s his name).  Danny’s Areosmith song will be with me forever though, I am very glad that he could find the humour in it, because there wasn’t much more to find. 

 

adamsingerkrisallenap051309-0_61x0_61The finals will be Adam and Kris.  Could be interesting….I love Adam Lambert, but I must say Kris has come such a long way from the beginning of the show.  Simon might have done Adam a disservice by endorsing him as he did.  Lots of people don’t like things shoved at them and will vote for Kris in spite.  Kris is great, but he just doesn’t have the stage atmosphere that Adam has. 

I don’t know how the entire American Idol experience works, but I almost want to see Kris win.  I think Adam will be great on his own, without the American Idol franchise backing him.  If he does win, he will be under contract for American Idol for some time to come.  That might just stifle him and his career…Trickybusiness left a comment on this site comparing Adam to a wild animal that needs to be free on his stage.  I can’t think of a better description of Adam!!  What do ya think?

 

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May 14, 2009 Posted by | Sexy | , , , , | 4 Comments

Danny’s Going Home

danney

American Idol isn’t even televised where I live yet, but I follow the results on line from the live blogging sites. (pathetic huh?)  After the show is over I will then watch the Tivod show so that I can skip through all of the commercials and the stuff that irritates me.  Danny Gokey was sent home!!!   Wow!  In the very beginning I loved Danny and his friend Jamar.  I was upset that Jamar didn’t make the cut.  Now, that could have become a popularity contest, singing competition and  a reality show all in one!  By the end of the competition, Danny just became, well, so ordinary.  I still think his singing is good, but he definitely lacks any type of show quality.  Look at Taylor Hicks, (I think that’s his name).  Danny’s Areosmith song will be with me forever though, I am very glad that he could find the humour in it, because there wasn’t much more to find. 

 

adamsingerkrisallenap051309-0_61x0_61The finals will be Adam and Kris.  Could be interesting….I love Adam Lambert, but I must say Kris has come such a long way from the beginning of the show.  Simon might have done Adam a disservice by endorsing him as he did.  Lots of people don’t like things shoved at them and will vote for Kris in spite.  Kris is great, but he just doesn’t have the stage atmosphere that Adam has. 

I don’t know how the entire American Idol experience works, but I almost want to see Kris win.  I think Adam will be great on his own, without the American Idol franchise backing him.  If he does win, he will be under contract for American Idol for some time to come.  That might just stifle him and his career…Trickybusiness left a comment on this site comparing Adam to a wild animal that needs to be free on his stage.  I can’t think of a better description of Adam!!  What do ya think?

 

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May 14, 2009 Posted by | Sexy | , , , , | 4 Comments

WE ARE MOVING !!!

 

5-11_12_018We have truly enjoyed talking to and getting to know all of you.  We’ve enjoyed it so much that we have decided to upgrade and get our own .com site. Unless something goes horribly wrong, we will be moving on Wednesday July 8, 2009.  (I hope this is the last time I have to push out this start up date!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you forget and come here to WOMENS THOUGHTS, don’t worry.  You will be automatically taken to our new home. 

www.CHATTERTONGUEGOSSIP.com

The new site will be named “Chatter Tongue Gossip”.  Moving will open up new features and allow us to serve you better and have more fun.

Hope to see YOU there!

Margie Weatherbe & Cindy Reed ( The Gossip Girls )

May 14, 2009 Posted by | Uncategorized | 3 Comments

Kate Gosselin’s brother, tells it all!

kate-steven-airport-blogApparently, Oober Bitch, Kate Gosselin, mother of 8 and star of the hit television reality show, Jon & Kate plus 8 has been outed by her own brother!  According to examiner.com,  Kate’s brother, Kevin Krieder and his wife Jodi have admitted, to Star Magazine that the Gosselin’s marriage is a farce and is only being held together by a “secret contract”!   The contract allegedly states that they may have an open marriage but must stay together for the sake of the show.  And apparently they didn’t waste any time!  I wonder what’s going to be on the next episode of Jon & Kate plus 8?  Kevin was also reported as saying that he was informed by Jon over six months ago that their marriage was over.

Kate had a falling out with brother Kevin and his wife Jodi after figure 8 films offered to pay Jodi for her appearances on the show.  Although reported that Jodi turned down the money, Kate’s rage tore the siblings apart.  Now her brother and his wife come forth with the real story.  All I can say is, Kate, you reap what you sow. 

Of course, this all comes to light immediately after the reports that Kate is also having and affair with the families  bodyguard while Jon is off spanking it with a 23 year old teacher.  The new episode of Jon & Kate plus 8 that is scheduled to air in two weeks will undoubtedly be the the most viewed ever! 

Update:  I just recieved an IM from Cindy, she just read that Kate thinks that people like her Opossum inspired hair style!  Does she not read anything?!

Ok, I’m too stupid to figure out how to post the video, but here is a link to Kevin and Jodi’s interviewing and telling it all! http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/05/exclusive-interview-jon-and-kate-shocker-her-brother-says-their-marriage-overKateOk,

May 14, 2009 Posted by | Jon & Kate Plus 8 | , , , , , , , | 8 Comments